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	<title>Comments on: Why I&#8217;m Still Not a Member of a Provider Company</title>
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	<description>Freelancing is more fun with oDesk</description>
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		<title>By: Doreen Martel</title>
		<link>http://odeskinsider.com/blog/no-provider-company/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Doreen Martel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I would never consider hiring a sub to work with me without first discussing the entire role with them.  Congrats on a thorough job on researching this new company. I also did the same (though I didn&#039;t receive an invite) and wasn&#039;t all that impressed with what I saw.

In fact some of the how to articles this person has submitted to sites (in particular one on business plans) is so misleading that it&#039;s scary. If someone chooses to use this &#039;model&#039; they&#039;re all but guaranteed to NOT get financing.

For some, hooking up with an affiliate is a great move, for others (like you and like me) it might not be the best arrangement!

Doreen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I would never consider hiring a sub to work with me without first discussing the entire role with them.  Congrats on a thorough job on researching this new company. I also did the same (though I didn&#8217;t receive an invite) and wasn&#8217;t all that impressed with what I saw.</p>
<p>In fact some of the how to articles this person has submitted to sites (in particular one on business plans) is so misleading that it&#8217;s scary. If someone chooses to use this &#8216;model&#8217; they&#8217;re all but guaranteed to NOT get financing.</p>
<p>For some, hooking up with an affiliate is a great move, for others (like you and like me) it might not be the best arrangement!</p>
<p>Doreen</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Bill, it is a contrast; but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a paradox.

If you look at the statistics the average hourly rate&#039;s been pretty well constant at around $12 or better for a year.  While that&#039;s not a huge rate, it&#039;s much higher than the numbers most of the complaints cite.

They aren&#039;t my numbers either, they&#039;re all direct from the oConomy.

I think part of it is that the average hides a lot.  Rather than a single market I think oDesk is made up of a number of tiered markets, and depending on which market you&#039;re in and where you are in that market you can either make a lot of money or make very little money.

Most of the complaints seem to come from people with limited oDesk experience and/or test scores who are applying in fields with lower category averages.

Meanwhile the people who are making more than the average are too busy working to spend time complaining.

It&#039;s a seriously skewed sample.

There is also the fact, going back to the tiered markets, that it is almost impossible to make a good living doing data entry.  Most of the administrative support jobs are low paying, and I think that category is more heavily represented than some others on the forums.

Writing seems to be another low paying category, but it&#039;s got a wider range than data entry.  Writers with a demand for their individual services can do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Bill, it is a contrast; but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a paradox.</p>
<p>If you look at the statistics the average hourly rate&#8217;s been pretty well constant at around $12 or better for a year.  While that&#8217;s not a huge rate, it&#8217;s much higher than the numbers most of the complaints cite.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t my numbers either, they&#8217;re all direct from the oConomy.</p>
<p>I think part of it is that the average hides a lot.  Rather than a single market I think oDesk is made up of a number of tiered markets, and depending on which market you&#8217;re in and where you are in that market you can either make a lot of money or make very little money.</p>
<p>Most of the complaints seem to come from people with limited oDesk experience and/or test scores who are applying in fields with lower category averages.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the people who are making more than the average are too busy working to spend time complaining.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a seriously skewed sample.</p>
<p>There is also the fact, going back to the tiered markets, that it is almost impossible to make a good living doing data entry.  Most of the administrative support jobs are low paying, and I think that category is more heavily represented than some others on the forums.</p>
<p>Writing seems to be another low paying category, but it&#8217;s got a wider range than data entry.  Writers with a demand for their individual services can do well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://odeskinsider.com/blog/no-provider-company/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting contrast. On the one hand, we have affiliate companies that are able to subcontract projects to other providers and take a piece of the pie for management services. So the pie is big enough for the extra bites.

On the other, we have providers complaining that project fees are too low for them to make a living wage- as the direct, solo provider.

Seems a bit of a paradox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting contrast. On the one hand, we have affiliate companies that are able to subcontract projects to other providers and take a piece of the pie for management services. So the pie is big enough for the extra bites.</p>
<p>On the other, we have providers complaining that project fees are too low for them to make a living wage- as the direct, solo provider.</p>
<p>Seems a bit of a paradox.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael

I just wanted to make sure that people were approaching things like this with their eyes open.  Glad you guys are reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael</p>
<p>I just wanted to make sure that people were approaching things like this with their eyes open.  Glad you guys are reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Levinson</title>
		<link>http://odeskinsider.com/blog/no-provider-company/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Levinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - great post, and great suggestions. Both make sense, and I&#039;ll get them in the hopper. &quot;Interviewing&quot; is coming, as we enabling user-to-user communication via the message center.

Thanks,

Michael
Director of Product</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; great post, and great suggestions. Both make sense, and I&#8217;ll get them in the hopper. &#8220;Interviewing&#8221; is coming, as we enabling user-to-user communication via the message center.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Michael<br />
Director of Product</p>
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